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  1.  
    amandatherunner
    Hi all So I appear to have torn my meniscus and its just getting worse. Think surgery is my route (or never running again). Was wondering what experience people have had with meniscus tears and surgery for them etc. Thanks Amanda(was the runner, now the hobbler)
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberdewey133
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2008
     
    dewey133

    yes, i had arthroscopic surgery when i injured myself in rugby. it was a day surgery and well worth it. my only problem was that i opted to stay awake for the surgery instead of being put out. I ended up being in the 2% category and got migranes for a few days after. If i did it all over again i would get knocked out. the surgery itself was great and i have not had any problems since. i healed very quickly and was back to running and such in no time.

  2.  
    Randy Jewell

    Hi Amanda,

    Sorry to hear abour the damged knee.  I had artohscopic surgery on my left knee last October and have had major reconstuction on my right knee as well.  I still run just fine in fact my knees feel better when I am running regularly.

    It took about six weeks to get to a point that where I could run with out problems from the last surgery.  I had some ligiment damage as well though so it just depends on the amount of damage you have.  I was able to walk out of the hospital after my surgery which is not uncommon.

    If you have a chank of cartilige floating around it is important to get it out.  The surgery was no big deal for me at all. 

    In the mean time try swithch to an activity that does not bother your knee like biking or swimming to keep your areobic fitness level up.  That way you will recover more quickly and be back running in no time.  Dont forget to add miles back slowly since the hiatus will mean your body is not used to the stress of running.

    Best wishes.

    Randy

    • CommentAuthorFree Membermsubobcats
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2008
     
    msubobcats

    SmileI had mine repaired (MCL), kept running and in 2003 had a knee replacement when there was only bone on bone left. I am still running, not any high mileage, but I am still out there. And the knee feels good.

    It just takes strenghtening the area and being a little careful.

  3.  
    rpetreccajr
    Amanda - Thanks for the post. It is good to hear what others have been through. Maybe it will help me get off my duff and get in and get my knee fixed.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberStiney
    • CommentTimeSep 11th 2008
     
    Stiney

    I also tore my Meniscus in college football.  I did have a chank of cartilige floating around, and in the middle of a drill, my knee lock up and I couldn't move it, so they had to scope it and clean it out.  After an excelerated healing process, I was running 40 yrd sprints by the second week.  4 years later, I'll get some pain occasionaly during the first hundred feet of run (usually only if I take a week off) I've found if I keep my muscles in shape around the joints by weightlifting, it dramatically reduces any pain I have from previouse injuries.  Get the Surgery

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberksolsberg
    • CommentTimeSep 11th 2008
     
    ksolsberg

    I damaged mine somehow...not sure how, but I got it scoped, did rehab and was back running in 1 month. That was 2 years ago and I haven't had any problems since

    My Dr. said the stronger I was before surgery the easier rehab would be, so I did leg extension, leg curls and biked until I had it fixed (had a bakers cyst along with the torn meniscus)

  4.  
    amandatherunner
    Hi All Thanks for all your comments and experiences, it makes me feel better about the prospect of surgery as it doesn't seem the major deal I thought it would be.....however. I had the Dr's this week and to get an MRI....minimum 3 months....surgery...more than a year after that (I am in Calgary, Canada). They will not scope without the MRI either. In the meantime they suggested physio to see if strengthening my legs will enable me to run....and I guess I'm sucking it up and joining the gym so I can swim/bike and even use the elliptical (which I'm not a fan of but beggars can't be choosers)...they say variety is the spice of life and I guess I will get that at the gym...I'll let you know cos' I don't really like using a gym!! For those of you that are interested I'll post after a bit of physio and let you know how its going :)
  5.  
    Randy Jewell

    Are you saying it is going to take 3 months to get ab MRI and a year to get into surgery?

     

  6.  
    giggles32006
    A year for surgery?! If you have serious damage to your knee, you really should be looking to get into surgery sooner...Go somewhere else if you can't find anyone where you live!! At least to get an MRI, so you know what's going on. But in the meantime...Physical therapy is going to help some and strengthen that knee.
  7.  
    amandatherunner
    So to confirm for you....Yep....about 3 months for an MRI and then ATLEAST a yr to get surgery after seeing the surgeon, after he has reviewed the MRI. A Meniscus tear is not considered 'serious' so there is no urgency on it (which is a huge pain, not literally, but I understand that as there are people NEEDING MRI's urgently) and then it is low down on the priority list when it comes to the surgery. I start Physio on Oct 2nd (due to my schedule can't get in before...in the meantime I am joining Golds and gonna be doing non-impact workouts....I'm hoping to do some 'spinning' classes as Dr said I can still bike and that. There isn't too much choice to go elsewhere for an MRI or surgery, unless I want to pay out of my own pocket..which I don't/can't so I have to go with the system..........and....wait! The Dr reckons that I might be able to strengthen the muscles enough that maybe they will protect the meniscus and I won't need the surgery, I guess I'll see what the Physio guy says. Will keep you updated when I know so that anyone else who is in/gets into this position will have a better knowledge.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membertymitchell
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2008
     
    tymitchell
    Hey... good to read these stories. I have had 3 ACL reconstructions surgeries. 2 on my right and 1 on my left. Both knees have severe meniscus and cartilage damage. I had surgery at age 17, 20, and 23. I started running when I was 25 and I am 29 now. I have found that my knees hurt less when I consistently run. Its strange to me, but it has proven true time and time again. I occasionally have pains but it is never terrible. I believe with the right strength training and stretching I will always be able to run. I have tried to run a marathon twice, but my knees can't handle the high milage. Once I get into the high teens I realize I have reached my limit. But I am just thankful I can run on a regular basis. I am sticking with half-marathons and less. I can also do sprinting with no problems. Until you have surgery do the strength training. It really will help. Good luck!
  8.  
    twilighthours

    Any Canadian who has hurt his/her knee will have a story similar to Amanda's.  For me, it was a 16-month wait for ACL reconstruction after a several -week long wait for an MRI. 

     You always hear about the marvels of Canadian health care - and it is good for some things - but for things like this it's awful.

     Recently, some provinces have allowed private (for profit) MRI clinics to open so that one doesn't have to wait for months to get a diagnosis.  We still haven't done much to ease the wait times for surgery, though.

     

  9.  
    farmerschoice
    Hi there,    i had surgery on my tear a while back now.The surgery was fine .The only thing i would say would be to get back with the physio as soon as possible, building the muscles back up as quick  as possible. I didnt feel confident in this but looking back i wish i worked harder and sooner on the recovery.   wish you well..
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberodb6909
    • CommentTimeSep 21st 2008
     
    odb6909
    Hi! i had an issue with my right knee about 7 months back. Hurt like heck, couldn't raise it above a foot or so high. Opted out of surgery and hit the chondroitin/glucosamine pills daily. Within 4 weeks, running came back pretty painlessly. The tear was minor with no cartiledge floating around, so that helped but those horse pills of chondroitin are amazing!
  10.  
    grandvalleydave

    Amanda,

    Sorry to hear of your tear. I had a knee injury at 16 that has nagged me for years. I have had 4 surgeries on my Left knee, three of them were scope jobs involving some degree of meniscus repair. Recovery protocol is a lot more aggressive now. You will be back on your feet again quickly and hopefully with a just short  pause in your workout routine

    My advice is to do as much PT work and strengthening to the joint, to your legs in general and especially to your core to enhance your recovery and prevent further injuries.

    Good Luck! Learn to love low-impact sports (bike and swim) and be safe.

    Dave

  11.  
    Randy Jewell

    Amanda, all I can say is WOW. 

    I guess there is good and bad with every system.  I was really lucky, the first to major surgeries were taken care of at tax payer expense since I was in the Coast Guard.  Insurance took care of the last one OK but at $1,700.00 a month I guess they should have.

    Another thing you may want to try is water running.  My wife twisted her ankle while preparing for a triathlon and ran in the pool with a belt to maintain her running legs to some degree.

     

    Best of luck to you

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKymie4
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    Kymie4
    This is a little off topic, but I recently was diagnosed with stress reactions in my tibia.  I'm running a marathon in October and my PT said to do water running to maintain my running legs.  For those of you who have done this....how are you finding it?  I average about 10 minute miles and have done an "8 mile run" (80 mins) and a "5 mile run" (50 mins) in the pool.  I'm not sure if it's just me, but I don't feel like I'm getting as good of a work out as running.  I heard it's supposed to be all the benefits of running, minus the impact.  Am I doing something wrong?
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKymie4
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    Kymie4
    P.S.  I know this is a knee-injury thread, but I figure that it may benefit those of you who are using deep water running to recover from these kinds of injuries as well Tongue out
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberNikkiblue
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    Nikkiblue

    Oh, I haven't but I read on www.traxee.com about a girl that went through a total of four said surgeries and she is now training for her first 1/2 marathon post surgery...you should check it out. I know she has her story up there too. Anyway, it is always interesting to get many people's views...especially when it comes to surgery!

     

    Best Wishes,

     

    Gsocks

  12.  
    Randy Jewell

    Hi Kymie,

     

    My wife used pool running for about 4 weeks due to an injured ankle.  She said the same thing that you did about the feeling while doing the water running.  She said that it just didn’t feel like she was working hard enough while doing it.  After she got back on the road she said she felt it was well worth the effort and thought she lost very little of her stamina due to the injury because of the water running.  She said she thought it was well worth it the effort.  Something else to keep in mind, running in the pool does not impact the structure so when you get back to the road be mindful of the miles you are adding to your weekly numbers you may have to reset them a bit to avoid stress related problems and since you will have the endurance to run through your old weekly milage it can be tricky. 

     

    Best of luck to you

     

    Randy

  13.  
    professorro

    Hi amandatherunner,

    I had minuscus surgery in June of 2007.  There were no complications and, I started running again in late June -- mixed with walking and cycling.  I ran my first 5k (post surgery) in September and a 10K in December.  Since that time I've logged 1400 miles on my  bike too.  I highly recommend the surgery with this cavea:  attempt to locate a good sports medicine surgeon who understands runners :-)

     

    God bless you and keep you in all your training and experience ahead,

    Ro

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberd7b
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2008 edited
     
    d7b

    damaged it during boxing training.

    swells up from time to time but surgery seemed suspect with unknown results. 

    Took about 3-4 months off training and do lots of support / rehab work at the gym to keep it at bay and also have never had a problem with it again. 

    If you can afford to take time off, give it a shot. 

    • CommentAuthorFree Membershabird19
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2008
     
    shabird19

    A year and a half ago I tore up my knee pretty good (ACL, MCL, minuscus).  Before I even had surgery I could still run, but I figured for the long run surgery would need to happen.  I had reconstructive surgery a year ago, and only a month after surgery I started running again.  I began with only a quarter mile, but by the end of the month I was up to two miles and slowly I worked my up.  I think that running has helped strengthen the muscles around the knee, and I would recommend surgery.  Make sure you do all the rehab, too!

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberconrman
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2008
     
    conrman

    I have had the surgery and worked as a surgical tech at the time. After working in the field, I tend to side with the conservative approach. In some cases surgery can be a road to more issues. There are several meniscus in the knee and they serve many functions (Cushioning, Support, stc.) My insurance did not cover an MRI, so I ended up with an unnecessary surgery as a result of primitive manipulation, as the diagonostic procedure. There were no tears found (suspected Medial/cushioning meniscus), only synovial shelf (the remains of a developing knee) which was removed. I had no ill effects of the surgery, but to this day question if it were necessary. an MRI will light up a torn meniscus, like a light bulb. If a tear is confirmed, you are only delaying the inevitable and risking more severe damage in some cases, have the surgery.

    Strengthing the muscles surrounding the knee can mean the difference in good surgical results and poor results. Low impact and low stress is best for the initial few months of rehab (range of motion stretching first then swimming, high cadence/low resistance cycling and no / or low weight resistance exercises of the legs.

    I have worked with some real hack surgeons who have poor technique and rely on antibiotics to reduce potential infections. Not all stories turn out well....but most do!!!Smile

    Keep researching, ask the recovery room nurses at your local hospital about which Ortho docs to avoid.....they see all the post ops and hear about everything (little gossips). They can be helpful on getting the inside scoop.

    If you do decide to run again, be sure your legs are strong first, buy correct shoes and take baby steps.....cycling is a great option!

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberconrman
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2008
     
    conrman
    Kymie4:This is a little off topic, but I recently was diagnosed with stress reactions in my tibia.  I'm running a marathon in October and my PT said to do water running to maintain my running legs.  For those of you who have done this....how are you finding it?  I average about 10 minute miles and have done an "8 mile run" (80 mins) and a "5 mile run" (50 mins) in the pool.  I'm not sure if it's just me, but I don't feel like I'm getting as good of a work out as running.  I heard it's supposed to be all the benefits of running, minus the impact.  Am I doing something wrong?

     You are getting a good work out but not the same workout. Might actually be a better workout in some respects (but depends on your goals in a desired activity, think of it as cross-training though). Long bones like the Tibia have great blood flow and will heal quickly if given the chance. The swim running keeps you heart rate up (blood flow), Helps maintain lung volume, gives your mucles resistance ( maintains metabloic function, and muscle integrity) and reduces impact to your healing legs.Have a good race.

  14.  
    worldonastrng

    Amanda, I had 60% of my left medial meniscus removed last summer. This year I have logged over 500 miles of running with no complaints. What my Doc told me was that long distance running would be my demise and that in 15 years (regardless of impact level) I will have arthritis in my knee. We shall see, Doc. I ran a few half marathons this year with no problem... well at least related to my knee!

     Edit - I second what everyone else said about rehab. I rehabed my knee with a great PT for about six weeks, then I was essentially recovered. My calves were significantly different sizes though. The surgery-leg-side calf was TINY, and still has not caught up.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberkspiper
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2008
     
    kspiper

    I had knee surgery 9 years ago - not  torn meniscus - that's what we thought it was - turns out I had plica band syndrome, torn cartilidge behind my knee cap and they ended up cutting my knee cap away from the muscle so it tracked properly (but I digress).

    It did take almost a year to go from injury to surgery.  Lots of physical therapy - we tried everything to ease my pain.  Braces, exercises, tens therapy, etc.  MRI was inconclsive so I went into surgery without knowing what they would find.

    Surgery was a breeze.  Up on my feet the next day and short of several months of physical therapy to get my gait back (12 months of compensating for a bum knee tweaked my gait) and no problems since then.

    I finally started running again and I'm so thrilled I got the surgery. No pain and man does that make running feel good!